Boat Storage – Slips Vs Storage Units

 

A slip will be the most convenient. Uncover, turn the key, cast off, and you’re on the water. The drawbacks include: 1. Cost. A slip is usually the most expensive. 2. Fuel. You’re stuck paying marine fuel prices, which can be as much as $.50 or $.60 more a gallon for gasoline (But for some reason, diesel is cheaper). 3. Exposure. Boats in slips are exposed to the elements. Gel coat fade, stains from bird droppings, osmosis and possible blistering, leaks into the interior and the musty, moldy and eventual rotting that it causes. Not to mention the hassle of bottom painting and scraping. 4. Worry. When your boat is in a slip, you worry when any storm comes up, you worry that a thru-hull will let go and sink the boat etc. 5. Security.

 

Many marinas are deserted during the week, making the boats there prime targets for thieves. Rack storage or covered storage at the marina is a little more convenient than trailing, but more of a hassle than a slip. It costs less than a slip, but you get what you pay for. In essence you’re renting a square plot of land or a rack unit. Drawbacks to rack storage: 1. Fire hazard. If one boat goes up, they all do. So you’re at the mercy of the dumbest idiot in the rack. 2. Storm damage. Many rack facilities do not survive storms well.

 

As in #1, make sure you have sufficient insurance. 3. Damage. Many rack owners leave the racking an unpacking to young and inexperienced operators, that occasionally ding, scratch, and even gouge your boat or drive (and then flatly deny it). 4. Dripping. Unless you’re in the top rack, whatever grime spews out of the boats above you, lands on your boat, which can stain the gelcoat or interior. 5. Timing. If you frequently boat on busy weekends, you may have to wait a long time for “your turn” to be launched/retrieved. Bribery of the yard hands might help. but it will increase your costs. 6. Fuel.

 

Like a slip, you’re still at the mercy of marine fuel prices Drawbacks to covered storage at the marina: 1. Value. You’re, in essence, renting a plot of land, and depending on your marina, the convenience of having your boat launched for you. This comes without any of the advantages of inside rack storage, or the turn key convenience of a slip. Many of the drawbacks are the same as rack storage. 2. Security. Like a slip, you boat presents an easy target for thieves, if the marina is not secured. 3. Exposure. Like a slip, your boat is still exposed to the elements (except for osmosis and bottom growth), and will age accordingly. 4. Timing. Like rack storage, you will have to “wait your turn” to be launched/retrieved.

Storage pressure of domestic gas

I have been looking into this possibility as I am 20 miles from the nearest supply point. According to a contact with Calor today Presently you can have a tank at home for automotive purposes. The storage pressures are different to domestic heating LPG Tanks come with a hand pump (good slimming / body development aid!?) You need to justify the costs with high individual annual mileage or multi vehicles to give adequate volume and offset a quarterly tank / pump rental ( from £70 per 1/4 & once off installation cost of about £150- £200) You pay the duty and vat up front with the gas delivery It is rarely economical for a 1 vehicle supply You can run groups of vehicles (business or family fleet).

 

The basic kit does not have a liter measure facility Electric pumps are available but are expensive to buy / rent and increase offset considerations NB Installation regulations apply You need a hardstand area about 2.5 x 3.0 meters The tank must be 6 meters from an occupied building and 9 meters from living accommodation and 3 meters from unoccupied stores. I do not think I can justify a home supply (space & cost) Calor say that most (not all) of their sites will give additional discounts to group / multi car purchasers Calor also report a mushrooming of their Auto gas site developments Another supplier CPS at Norwich will simply not supply non-commercial sites.

 

It was something I had been meaning to look into for my cousin who was very interested in using the LPG from his home storage tank. I was pretty sure that it even if it was technically possible you would not be (legally) able to get around paying the extra tax (I thought it might have some kind of delivery meter) Never mind, lets hope that some enterprising garage in Fareham gets a tank! The nearest is the wrong side of Southampton for me. I wonder if I could lobby the council to get them to urge local garages to start taking it? They are trying hard to get new business in the area, and plentiful LPG supplies can only help.

Take home cars and storage

Our local department has a policy that they call “Home Fleet.” It enables officers, detectives and such to drive their cars when off duty as well. They are allowed to drive them anywhere in the county on personal business. They are however required to respond to emergency calls and whatnot. The reasoning behind it is there are more police cars on the street (increasing presence), officers will park them on the street at their homes and thereby (hopefully) deter burgles in the area, and of course, the city can call on even off-duty officers to help out in certain situations (like directing traffic at accident scenes).

 

Anyway, I was wondering, our city is fairly small (230,000 or so), is this practice common in large cities as well? Does anyone know of any large cities (over 500,000) that has such a policy. Any comments on how it works? My department (about 1000 officers) has had a take-home program in effect since 1987 that has been very successful. We have two basic classes of these vehicles; Take-Home and Home-Storage. Take Home vehicles are marked units that can be used for personal business provided certain requirements are met. These units are assigned only to officers who reside within the city limits. Tends to be cost effective in lengthening the life of the most expensive piece of equipment.

 

An officer tends to take care of that care of that car if he knows that he is the only driver and is solely responsible for it. I know about a mid- size department, work very well. Hmm, didn’t Replay TV create the PVR before TiVo? I had a quick scan at the patent and had to laugh. “Time warping TV” hmm I think Star Trek has them on that one! Really there is nothing new in a TiVO. Commercial systems have been recording, buffering and time delaying video for some time. It’s only now that consumers get the opportunity! The integration of a computer, HD, phone connection and guide is a amazingly obvious thing to do.

 

Jeeves the next thing you know someone will try to patent PDA PVR’s, network downloads to PVR’s, multiple personalized channel guides, TV search bot’s, collaborative content selection mechanisms, … All pretty obvious evolutionary steps! The way this stuff usually goes is that TiVo will sue someone with deep pockets(Microsoft?) and try to work out a license deal. Once they do, they try to muscle in anybody else… Replay TV and Dish may be the only two who can say prior art and tell em to get lost.

Alternative storage for television sets

I don’t think this is re-regulate post per se – just trying to get some information and opinion on some ill-informed thoughts i’ve had, arising from my dissatisfaction with the current state of television. What if: – all cable tv spectrum were dedicated to broadband internet and video-on-demand – all users had in-home storage devices for content (e.g. tivo-like device but with massive amounts of storage) – users could select a la carte by program what they wanted to watch, which was delivered to their in-home storage devices.

 

For additional charge, users could opt to receive ALL content without advertising of any kind. Questions: – if all the existing spectrum were dedicated to this, would there be sufficient bandwidth to do it? if each household had, say, five daily programs and five weekly programs that they watched regularly, would this narrowing of selection offset the loss of efficiency gained from “broadcasting” simultaneously to all homes?

 

what is the equivalent dollar value of a program if there were no advertising in it at all? how much would users have to pay to match the income generated by advertisers? i realize this is completely dependent on the program in question, but some examples would at least put me in the ballpark mentally. Any other thoughts or comments, or pointers to websites that might have relevant information, are appreciated.

Building a bike storage facility

I do believe for universality, I should hang the bikes by their wheels. I have seen one commercially available hanger that mounts on a wall. There is a hook which wraps through the wheel, and for stability there is some sort of a guide (joined to the hook) that constrains the wheel to keep the bike perpendicular to the wall. I don’t know how well this feature works with tires of different diameters and widths (the guide appeared non-adjustable). I wonder how much force is generated on the rim by this hanging method.

 

I think those cost about $25 each and that is really more than I want to spend (10 x $25 = $250). However, since they are singular units, they could be mounted at various heights to accommodate small or large bikes and they could be located low enough on the wall so that bike does not have to be lifted so high. This may not work so well as far as nesting goes. If I can get a better look at one of these (and can evaluate it’s performance) I may see what it would take to produce a dozen of these in my home work shop.

 

We use a lot of bike hooks ($1~$2) screwed into wood and a lot of their clones, the bike hooks with machine bolt threads in metal. Our bikes hang vertically from the front wheel in rows in storage areas. There are a plentitude of inexpensive variants on this theme from ProCor/ProStor which should be available at any competent LBS ($12~$40) You might also build a copy of a rack by IMS or Conde. Again most competent LBS will have one or both of these.

Safe storage of tools in garage

Agreed, I’ve done it like this for years. I have a 2 car garage that holds 2 full size cars, lawnmower, garbage/recycling, workbench/tools, full size repair stand, 2 tandems, 2 road bikes, 3 mtbs and one fixie commuter. This system of storage depends on the direction of the ceiling joists. Unfortunately mine go parallel to the direction that a car faces, so I added small “pseudo-studs” in the proper place. If yours go perpendicular then you are set. Depending on the size of vehicles you have, you can also mount a long 2X4 on the wall, anchored in the studs. Insert the hooks in the 2×4 and hang bikes alternating by front and rear wheel.

 

They will hang 90 deg. to the plane of the wall, so they stick out more, but leave more room for other garage stuff. Hint-invest in a stud finder, use a measuring tape (interior wall studs are usually 16″ on center, exterior are 24″), test with a small pilot bit first, then pre-drill and insert hook. Get a long 2X4 and 10 vinyl coated hooks. Then install the 2X4 on your wall, make sure you screw into the wall studs. Then measure your handle bar widths and make the spacing on the hooks the width of your widest bars plus a couple of inches. You can then hang the bikes using the hooks and alternate hanging the bike from their front and rear wheel so that the handlebars don’t interfere with each other. Not the prettiest solution but it is cheap and easy to put together.

 

If the hanging approach had all the other features that I seek, I wouldn’t mind helping the wife stow/retrieve her bike. Perhaps I could give her a separate location elsewhere. The kids, though likely stronger, may not have the reach to stow their 20″ BMX bikes if the hooks are on the ceiling. I have hooks in the ceiling now, scattered about my garage. I tried to run some near the wall, but I found that the bikes don’t really hang too well from them. Let me try to explain. If you hang a bike from the ceiling using a hook through the wheel, the center of gravity of the bike causes it to hang such that the wheels are not aligned vertically, and the result is more wasted floor space below.

 

When I located the ceiling hooks near a wall (out away from the wall by about 1/2 the diameter of the wheel), I found the bikes hang one of two ways: If I hang them from the front wheel, the rear wheel is forced (by gravity) against the wall (that is good) but the position is unstable and the bike wants to twist or turn one way or the other, entangling with adjacent bikes. If I hang them from the rear wheel, the front wheel is forced (by gravity) away from the wall (that is NG) again projecting into the room (wasting space) and the bike still wants to twist or turn one way or the other, entangling with adjacent bikes.

Storge facility for farm products

In fact, there is a small farm field south of my house. The farmer plants crops, usually corn, and sprays chemicals, sometimes when the wind is blowing. We also grow grapes and vegetables for human consumption in our back yard adjacent to the field. Grapevines can be harmed by the broad leaf herbicides that he uses. On the other hand, the misquotes are terrible and I wish the city would apply chemicals. While it is good to gauge hazards of APCP storage to other hazards, we should still try to reduce those hazards. I’m in favor of reasonable rules that get the BATFE out of the game. I’m not sure that I want to let the NFPA dictate what is reasonable for everyone. I think limits and storage requirements should depend on local conditions.

 

But we don’t want to have to negotiate with the local Fire Marshal individually. Then too, there are racketeers who know that their local Fire Marshal will never allow HPR motor storage, and they want federal law to trump local authority. Webster? Funk and Wagnal? I address APCP storage at this time, because it at an APCP regulation crossroad. When they move to prohibit home storage of gasoline, I’ll address that at that time. You must live in a very permissive area. Where I live, we can’t store gasoline in open containers or glass jars.

 

Again, for those of you who keep missing my point, requirements (and BATFE involvement) should be not be more strict than that for storage of gasoline, and probably a lot less strict. Again, you would have to ask the BATFE. When I read a BATFE proposal for use of 1/2″ locks instead of 3/8″ locks, I suspect theft is one of the BATFE’s concerns. If we are escape from BATFE regulation and become unregulated or self regulated, we have to address their concerns (which may be congressional or executive concerns). Is it unreasonable to suggest a line of HPR safety code be added simply stating that APCP storage will be secure, as an alternative to continued BATFE regulation?

Reasonable and unlimited storage capcity

What “home storage requirements” for gasoline involve the ATF? There are no ATF permits required to buy it, no ATF searches, inspections, or container requirements for gasoline. Even state and local codes (if any) and unenforced and unenforceable. There’s no one going to stop you if you store gasoline in open containers or glass jars. Not that anyone should do that, of course. But it shows just how lax regulations are for such a volatile and dangerous material. Why should our far less dangerous, non-volatile APCP be subject to anything stricter?

 

I made a proposal at a series of NFPA meetings that met with approval from ATF who then formally proposed it on my behalf (imagine that, Irvine and ATF in bed together) to the subcommittee, who approved it for vote to the full committee (typical rubberstamp). During the full committee vote one Dane Boles stood in opposition to the measure. Due to his understandable stature with the group, his words were heeded and the matter tabled, never to be seen or heard from since. So now I set them forth as guidelines in connection with insurance coverage I recommend. If the perceptions were backed by scientific methods and accountability, we wouldn’t have arbitrary laws relating to APCP.

 

However, I feel it is just as unreasonable to ask for an unlimited non-permit exemption for any quantity of APCP for the same reason. Those that are asking for the “all or nothing” exemption are just as guilty of being arbitrary and illogical as the ATF is in the other extreme. A technical non-profit code-making group that understands the real risks of flammable materials and storage should be the ones that set this limit. Then it would be a uniform code without the need to lobby each state and locality, wasting their time and our time. This would have nothing to do with the BATFE.

Incresing your home storage capacity

In this case the original poster asked ‘what’s the hang-up with flywheels for home storage?’ Gene simply pointed out that it is a ‘non-trivial undertaking’ best not attempted by casual tinkerers for safety reasons. There is certainly a lot more that can be said about the subject, but his remarks are not inappropriate. Be careful now, some of the ‘wise guy’s in the news groups *are* professors of physics! Gene might not be ‘all warm and fuzzy’ but he’s not all ‘sour grapes’ either and serves as an effective foil to the unbounded (and generally unfounded) optimism of some of the other posters.

 

The warning also sounded entirely reasonable to me. On my brief studies of flywheel storage for commercial UPS (uninterrupted power supply) use, the commercial units where located in concrete set into the ground. Partly to avoid vibration but also for safety reasons. It is very easy to under estimate the rotational energy in a small flywheel! Since your a “newbie” in the newsgroups (god, I hate that word), I will cut you some slack with this obvious TROLL post, and not flame you.

 

I suggest you take the same approach before putting your foot in your mouth the next time! For your information, although personal info is inappropriate in these forums, I have been a worker in the alternate energy field for 25 years because I really care about these subjects. There is little money to be made in this field. I wouldn’t say I know everything by any means, but I generally know enough to make valid, brief, and to the point comments on many subjects I’ve had experience with. When I read a post that I think has merit, I always respond positively. Does my briefness sound negative? To summarize, I am very positive about alternate energy. That’s why I’m here.

Vacuum Storage Bag

Vacuum Compressed Storage Bag saves your home storage space upto 75% and keep your things moisture-proof, mildew-proof, dust-proof, germ-proof, odor-proof, insect proof. Magic Hanger triple your closet space. It is an excellent help mate when traveling.Last year there was a brief spate of publicity about the use of flywheel energy storage systems to power automobiles. These articles usually described the problems associated with operating a flywheel in a moving, vehicle.

 

It strikes me that a much more sensible application of flywheels would be in home energy storage, replacing batteries in an independently powered home. Is anyone pursuing this application? If not, what is the hang-up? The hang up is that very few people have the ability to design and build an efficient infinitely variable speed transmission. Especially one that will turn a sizable mass at 100K rpm’s or so. This is a project that I strongly suggest “don’t try this at home” The destruction and death that can result from the disintegration of the massive flywheel is why.

 

I wouldn’t trust the few words of this individual, from what I have seen in previous answers to peoples questions to this news group he has been entirely negative to everything! I suggest that you go to your local library and research a little bit on flywheels, then search the net for the name of a professor of physics or some one with an energy background. Not true. If you are a ‘newbie’ or selective reader you may only have seen responses to messages of an ‘overly optimistic’, naive or provocative nature.

 

There are a lot of misconceptions and outright scams in renewable/alternative energy, which some people here try to eliminate. Gene may be a bit quick to ‘pounce’ sometimes but his remarks are by no means ‘entirely negative to everything’. Scams and fantasy are emphatically rebutted, but Gene has posted numerous constructive replies to reasonable questions.